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Zainul Abidin Rasheed, MP for Aljunied GRC asked,
"Minister's ministerial statement is a watershed development
in more ways than one, not for anyone to take lightly. Its
in a matter of our lifeline. How does the ministry intend
to get this message across to the Malaysian people when the
Malaysian media is bent on giving misrepresentation, and how
does the Minister ensure that this does not add to the tension
which is already
emotionally charged in KL where the word 'War' has been floated
around?"
Professor S Jayakumar agreed; "The member is right.
Malaysian media will not report correctly or sometimes not
at all. So I say this is on the website of MFA and embassy
website and we'll find other ways but I hope the people and
people of Malaysia will read this carefully because it is
not intended to create tension, bacause I have carefully measured
my words to contain facts and facts can speak for themselves
and bringing the facts cannot be said to be motivated to up
the temperature."
Ahmad Khalis, MP for Hong Kah GRC asked, "What
are the differences to Singapore's position to Pedra Branca
as regards to Pedra Branca? My second question; has Malaysia
decided to claim any other islands that belong to us besides
Pedra Branca?"
Professor S Jayakumar replied; "Let me say upfront Pulau
Pisang belongs to Malaysia. We have never disputed Malaysia''s
sovereignity over Pulau Pisang but our MPA however has a right
to operate the lighthouse there and the plot of land as well
as the raod
leading to lighthouse has been granted in perpetuaty so long
as Singapore operates that lighthouse. It's in an indenture
between Johor Sultanate and the Straits Settlements in 1900;
so Pulau Pisang we never contested the sovereignty. But Pedra
Branca is ours so its ridiculous for Malaysians to say that
we can only operate the
lighthouse and I might add that in 1968, the Malaysians objected
that we fly our flag at Pulau Pisang and we took it down but
never objected to flying singapore flag at Pedra Branca.
"Any other claims? The member is asking because press
reports in March last year where Berita Harian carried a report
by some Malaysian lawyer where it said that Pulau Tekong Kecil
was part of Johor but this is important. The very next day,
the Malaysian's Foreign Minister publicly denied the claim
in Pulau Tekong Kecil and says that malaysian do not wish
to create new problem with Singapore by staking new claims
and as far as Malaysia is concerned, the only outstanding
claim is over Pedra Branca."
Nominated MP, Associate Professor Ngiam Tee Liang
asked, "In view of the twists and turns of the issues,
and the tendency of the Malaysian media to play up also these
issues, I would like to ask Minister whether it is his assessment
there could be a possible danger for terrorist groups to exploit
the issues and this becomes one of
the Achilles heel in our bilateral relations and so what can
we do to overcome and to let the seriousness of the way the
situation is developing actually adds to the danger we are
faced with global terrorism."
Professor S Jayakumar replied; "I would like to allay
the fears of the members that amidst all this, one of the
silver lining if I may say so, is that is the professionals
in our law enforcement agencies on both sides, the intelligence,
our narcotics, our CID. They have an excellent record of close
cooperation. This record of close cooperation continued in
the past even during the ups and downs in bilateral relations.
And I can say so, with some personal knowledge because for
some years I was Minister for Home Affairs and the excellent
cooperation."
Low Thia Khiang, MP for Hougang asked, "I was
quite surprised to hear about the chronological sequence of
negotiations that the Minister and Prime Minister had with
the Malaysians. It seems to me that our Ministers are being
pulled around by the Malaysians going up and down, changing
goalpost here and there and I think to me I thought this is
quite uncharacteristic of the PAP government which is always
talking about no nonsense, being tough - so I am quite surprised
that how come in this bilateral with Malaysians, the negotiations
seems that Singapore is being pulled along.
"We have reached this point where there is a need to
open up everything to the public and to tell the public that
perhaps maybe there is no return to negotiations. So I wonder
whether the way to Singapore's approach to negotiations so
accommodating, so diplomatic. I wonder whether the Foreign
Minister will comment whether this has been the correct approach
so far, and if so, then why we end up in that situation?
Professor S Jayakumar replied; "That is a good question
because it causes us to pause and reflect. As he said, why
have we reached this position? Have we reached the
position because of some "uncorrect" approach of
the Foreign Minister and correct approach of their Foreign
Minister? These are not personal whims and fancies of a Singapore
Minister dealing with personal whims and fancies of a Malaysian
Minister. These are negotiating positions and national positions
taken in the conduct of negotiations.
"Yes, we have been accommodating and reasonable in the
negotiations but if the Member had listened to me and as is
clear from the documents, he would have seen how the Singapore
side, not just the officials or the Foreign Minister, their
leaders - the positions we have articulated at every turn,
what has been upper most in our minds? It has been the national
interest of Singapore and in pursuing the national interest
of
Singapore, we have in the negotiations had certain markers
and those markers have not been compromised.
"What are the markers that have not been compromised?
One, observance of agreements solemnly and willingly entered
into, observance of the water agreements, the guarantees in
the water agreements - we have always insisted and never departed
from that. Secondly, we were prepared to have the issues resolved
in a package in return for future water that will be in Singapore's
national interest. That has been a central point in the negotiations.
Have we conceded on that? We have not conceded on that. Third,
when they discontinued with the package and insisted on price
of current water, our position has been another marker that
we are prepared to discuss current water in the context of
the package. You take it out of the package, push for future
water in 2059 is off. Then it is off, we cannot be bullied
and intimidated into agreeing to unilateral revision of the
water agreements. There are clear provisions in the agreements
and you cannot do it at your whim and fancy. It has to be
resolved in accordance with the law and in accordance with
the law, we say you have lost the right of review. They disagreed,
then there is a process. So at every stage I think it should
be clear that Singapore's negotiating position has had uppermost
over-riding interest of Singapore."
Nominated MP Braema Mathi asked, "The Minister
has said in his concluding statement about Pedra Branca that
the consequences will be costly, can I ask him to clarify
what he means? Two, in terms of our navy and airforce who,
have they received special
instructions what to do?"
Professor S Jayakumar replied; "There will be intrusions
and you have a high risk of loss of lives, damage, as to the
second part, whatever the instructions, I have no doubt that
Tony Tan will give the necessary instructuiosn or us to maintain
the authority and
integritry."
Mr Chiam see Tong, MP for Potong Pasir asked, "I
would like to know whether or not is Singapore willing to
make a standing offer to Malaysia to have the outstanding
matters arbitrated or go before the international court of
law since Minister has said that it needs the consensus of
both sides to go to the help of a third party?
"Now the other supplementary question I would like to
ask is has the situation at Pedra Branca improved since the
recent statement of the Minister of Defence Mr Tony Tan with
regard to intrusion of Malaysian naval vessels in our Singapore
territorial waters?"
Professor S Jayakumar replied; "The answer to the first
question of whether we would make a standing offer, I think
the answer is yes. First because we offered to go to the Permanent
Court of Arbitration, and they said no. And, as it is clear
from my speech, since they have said no to that, to resolve
the impasse, we said look let's follow the provisions in the
Water Agreements. But actually that's a move that they have
already commenced by issuing a notice. So we have commented
and we have said we are prepared to take that route."
Nominated MP, Chandra Mohan asked; "Would the
minsiter consider a group of parliamentarians to appear in
parliament and present the facts and by having this kind of
information, would they be able to resolve the power and people's
power can resolve the problem?"
Professor S Jayakumar replied;"If indeed I was in the
position to order the Malaysian press to publish my satatement,
I will do so. I cannot quarrel about widest dissemination
of facts. I hope he will also do so. We should use all contacst
to disseminate the information. As through alternative forms
of discussion, I am not averse to any and every possible way
that can aid the process of solving bilaterals and the good
will. It must involve a whole spectrum of officials and government
bodies and parliamenthave a role to play. Madam Deputy Speaker
I can't see how we can do that. How different can that be
at ministerial level but as general principle must be practical
and workable."
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